Thursday, March 7, 2013

Prop 8 and Arguments Against "Accidental Pregnancies"


This blog post is a rebuttal to:  “Argument against gay marriage in California hinges on accidental pregnancies”, Liz Goodwin, Yahoo News, March 4, 2013

Introduction

It doesn’t take long to figure Yahoo’s position on gay marriage.  The company is located in the liberal state of California where the democratic process and the will of the people has been bypassed not once but twice by gay judicial activists.  The liberal-minded writers at Yahoo are in full support of the judicial tyranny as they write analogies about “marriage equality,” whereas gay marriage really has no equal.

The gay marriage argument assumes a “crystal ball” by comparing a gay union to a traditional marriage that is childless by choice-or-circumstances.  The crystal ball is broken because there are children from these types of “childless” traditional-marriages where the outcomes are different from what everyone understood when they entered those marriages.  

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In the article referenced above Liz said “One of many potential pitfalls of the (traditional marriage) argument is whether it follows that the government could pass a law saying that only fertile people are allowed to wed, for example, or whether the state could ban marriage between elderly people.”

Dialogue

Christine said: "It's a woman's instinct to have children in the context of marriage." HA HA HA. Oh my God, are you kidding me?!

SRF said:   WOW Christine -- you're way out of touch with womanhood!!!  You are the riot!  Here's the same  question over at yahoo answers:

  • Q:"They say women want babies because it's a "natural instinct", but what does that mean?" 

  • A: "It's kind of programmed in our brains that once our bodies know we're in the peak of baby-making days, it is almost impossible to get off our minds. We see other women who are lucky to have babies and start wonderful families, and want that for ourselves.  We want that miracle of life.  SO SUE US!!!!!!“


BluesFan1 said:  Those (childless) marriages don't last? Really? My husband and I got married knowing we would not have children, by choice. Yet, here we are, 13 1/2 yrs married and we've been together for over 20 yrs. So what other ridiculous statements do you have?”

SRF said:   @ Bluesfan -- our beloved government is publishing that "ridiculous statement" over at the U.S.  Bureau of Social Statistics. Only three out of ten childless marriages last 10 years.  Now I have a question for you: Where is a traditionally married couple WITH CHILDREN that thinks procreation is trivial in a marriage? I've heard from several specious "childless marriages" like yours.

Allen said:  My brother and his wife have been married 25 yrs with no kids. Plus the fact that there are such things as infertile couples who got married knowing they would never have them. You are an idiot.

SRF said:   @ Allen, there could be an idiot in the room but I don’t think it’s me.  A doctor told my cousin and her husband they'd NEVER have kids so they adopted a baby boy and showed him off at our family re-unions year after year. We watched him grow up -- then -- she got pregnant and had another boy. Well, Allen, so much for your "broken crystal ball" of an argument.

SRF said:  If the states banned marriage between elderly people nobody would enforce it. Grandparents raise a lot of kids these days.
 
Skyliner said:  The whole matter of parenting depends on the possibility that the parenting couple will be having intercourse and there is a possibility of pregnancy. At least, so say some.

SRF said: @ Skyliner how does someone determine whether a marriage will be childless or not? I can understand the chances are really slim with elderly people -- BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

Paulo Wen said:   (the decline of marriage) … is all the more reason to not discriminate against same sex couples.

SRF said: @ Paulo -- With all due respect I do not believe that gay marriage is equal to traditional marriage, and I've looked at it for many years, wondering how my Creator could allow such a difficult situation for gay people.  I do think gays should have civil rights in the context of their union which I don't agree with, but this is America.  The facts are NOT forthcoming regarding gay parenting and gay marriage is an irrevocable decision. Until someone can PROVE a benefit from gay marriage that is shared with the rest of our society -- I think it is wise to wait. The courts have already evaluated the social impact of traditional marriage on the society we live in.  It's a fact that children from this kind of family unit are more likely to get a college education, find a job, and start a stable family unit of their own.